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Whereas I basically agree with DG, Andail, Nikolas, etc... I am not sure if I like this public cruzifixion of an AGS member... No matter which my opinion toward Skyfire1 (in private) is. 

And I asked you where do you put the line in this anti-gravity kick. Because this "kick" is a metaphor refering to an act. If you see a difference between a verbal act that goes down, to another that goes up, you must also see a differences between any act, even if it implies use of violence.

I am sure you see them. I am sure you see a difference to an american missile falling in a residential area in Baghdad to a terrorist bomb put by a jihaddist in the Rockefeller centre. Both are terrible, despicable, but if you keep your argument coherent, there must be a difference for you.

I know you and I know you would put the line miles before the violent acts. But, and now it comes my "serious" question after the crappy post of before... Where do you put the line in all the grey areas between calling someone something and the violent acts? You' ll see that, if any AGSer was asked about issue, we would get a huge pallete of grays. Which AGSer is right?

Shouldn' t be easy to say there's no difference between those acts, no matter the direction? Shouldn' t be easier to put the line in the black (or white, I don' t care, I am not racist) in spite of arguing in which tone of the grey the difference is?

EDIT: What I am basically saying is that seeing a difference between "kicks" deppending in the direction they go, is the genesis for nuts people doing stupid things. Like Palestinians blowing buses. You are an extremelly sensitive and sensible pacifist man, but that same thought in the mind of an idiot is terribly dangerous.

Also, it' s impossible (for me) to see the difference. Imagine a guy simillar to the character of Karton Banks in the Prince of Bel-Air. Never oppressed, rich, posh, extremelly bad-mannered... and black...

And now imagine a poor, young white guy whose alcoholics parents abbuse of him.

Imagine the white working in the house of the black. The black is not happy because the white does not work propperly, and calls him "stupid bag of cumshots". Is there a difference between this verbal abbuse and the ones "white men" use to do on "black men"? When did this "Karton Banks" felt the slavery? Where is the opression?

Hope you see my point.

Just a stoopid note... But maybe you should take a look to the sprites of "civilization"... If I remember well, they were in Iso.

Ahhh... "Kicks up are acceptable, whereas kicks down are not"

Sounds great... Really cool! But will it work so well as it sounds? Mmmm... let' s see...

Which kind of "kicks up" are acceptable? If your race/civilization/culture, has suffered constant "kicks" from a bigger/most powerfull race/civilization/culture... Return the kicks with the same degree would be acceptable? If you have suffered of constant verbal abbuse, are you allowed to do the same? If a white man calls you "nigga", can you call him "cumshot? If you have been bombed, will you be allowed to bomb?

The line is set in violence? What do we consider violence? Can some kind of verbal abbuses be considered as more harmfull as some kid of violence? If a brunette guy calls me "Sissy Barbie girl", will I be allowed to slap gently slap him on the face? Will a big slap be allowed? Will a punch be allowed?

If your culture has been constantly annoyed and and exploited by a bigger one, an only very violent act would balance the score board? A carrier? A tower of the WTC balances the scoreboard for all the outrages the Islam suffered from the USA? Two towers? Two towers and the Pentagon? If Ireland has been offended by the powerfull England... Is it allowed to bomb London? What happens if 50% of the Irish want to bomb London and the other 50% doesn' t? Do we vote? Can a VERY VERY annoyed Irish be allowed to decide for the rest of Irish and bomb London? If all the Irish are annoyed by the English, can they bomb London, but only if military or gouvernamental targets are bombed? What if a civilian falls? One civilian is allowed? Two? A kid is? Dead kids are acceptable but girls are not?

When can the offenses be forgiven? If slavery is abolished and 150 years happened from that acts... Will that period be enough? Yes, but only if, after abolishion, there is no verbal abbuse? Yes, but if there' s no segregation? Segregation can be forgiven in 50 years but only if there has no been verbal abbuse? Segregation can' t be forgiven in New York till 50 years happened till segregation was abolished in Alabama?

A Rodney King resets all the process and "kicks up" are allowed for the next 150 years?

If Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordania and a Palestine militia, summing more than 150 million of muslims attack you, an unarmed country with 6 million of inhabitants, are you allowed to deffend your country? Yes? No? Yes, but only if your army is smaller than the enemy?

What happens if you are weak but you became stronger? Were the Jews allowed to deffend their country in 1949, but not in 1960, because they were more powerfull? Are Jews allowed to attack Russia, but not Syria? Were the Jews allowed to kick Iraq when they were weaker, in 1990, but not now, because they are stronger? Is the iraqi insurgency allowed to attack american humvies with IEDs because they are weaker? Will they still if the amount of americans in Iraq is redouced, making them weaker to the insurgents?

Phew... This think or reverse kicks is damn difficult... I thought kicks were bad, no matter the direction.

The last question... Pacifist elf boy. Was the elf pacifist because the orcs were weak? If the Orks become stronger and they start oppressive, arrogant and annoying attitudes towards the elves, will the Pacifist elf boy turn into a "Up kicker Elf boy"?

Thanks in advance for the replies.

Ohhh, I missed that one, happy birthday, pacifist elf boy.

P.S: Lore says happy birthday from Lorena, as well

They are hot... Both of them. But Jenna is more due to chest perimeter.

Jenna Bush makes me hot.

It might be good, but the new Bond is so ugly

Wow... That' s a point.

Anyway, kids commentaries aside, I have a lot of confidence in this new movie. I agree that the two last Bond movies sucked hard (An ice palace? A plane falling/destructing for 15 minutes?  ) And this one seems less "Triple X" and more Flemingish. The new actor also looks more Bond to me than Brosnan.

Let' s hope it' ll be good.

About something you mentioned before Daniel... "King of Queens" and "According to Jim" are being aired here, Jim just before Doug... Funny coincidence. 

http://findsounds.com

And then use the google bar... Maybe you should try with "heart" or something like that...

Sorry, I haven' t been reading all this thread, and maybe I am severelly pissing it off, but... Daniel, Anarcho has allways prooven to be smart and respectfull... and I think this even after having deep disagrees with him!

I' ve took a glance in this thread and I don' t think that he deserves this... Ã, 

My two cents.

Presidentials are weird, people focus between two personalities... If the Republican is a real ass, Hilary (if she is the choosen) will win, this figures have no real meaning.

I was not very interested in this election, but if the results worked for making Daniel' s meal the tastiest ever... Damn! I am happy! Devil can came and shiver my timbers if I am not! 

I' ve heard about a black candidate, a republican one, not Obama... It was 2 years ago, I might be confussing curious news with "serious" ones. Somebody has a clue of what I am talking about?

UPDATE: Burns conceded!Ã,  Senator John Tester it is!!!!!!Ã,  Also, Rumsfeld has resigned!!!!!!!!

Seems that the Republicans are pushing the "reset" button for having any chance to win in the presidentials. 

One thing... How does look the Presidential race? Hillary for the donkeys and...who for elephants?

The last news are that the democrats have too advantage in both states for having the majory in both cameras, no?

Edit: Eeeer... Sorry, I goofed. Apparently there will be less that 1% of difference, so, new recount (Can people misscount 25,000 votes? This is insane...) Plus summing up the votes coming from mail. So, the decission could be delayed till december, apparently.

I am glad of this latest post by Akumayo  . Voting is not like choosing a football favourite team. You must get away of someone who declares himself "conservative, socialist, marxist" or whatever... That' s why there are campaings... Campaings assume (ideally, of course...) that people hasn' t decided the vote and has no ideology. Use them to study the options, to read the programs, and decide. I think I' ve voted three different parties in my live, plus some abstentions... Whereas I' ve deffensed that socialism does not work, I will never tell you that left is a bad option, actually, in certain moments or situation it can be the optimal choose. So... do that Helm says... If you don' tget involved you0 ll probably be happier... ^_^

@Las Naranjas: That lonely quote implies that Marx' philosophy respected the bourgeosie? No... I can also quote kind quotes to Hitler towards the Jews (specifically to the Jewish doctor which took care of his mother) and towards the British Empire... And I don' t think we might consider Hitler as friend of Jews and Brits... I think, I might be wrong in this too...

I' ve studied Marx... In an universitary degree... ok? And their beliefs are clear. The businessmen earn money by stealing the appreciation of valour of the goods the proletarians make. Therefore money will gather in the hands of few people, and the masses of poor proletarians will finally revolt to finish with the bourgeosie. If that is not considering the capitalism evil, then what is it? He was the man fighting agains phantoms, projecting his frustrations into a social strata HE WANTED TO BELONG TO, using the feelings of the candid and uncultivated proletarian, a group of people he never personally meet.

And please... When you reply to posts made by me, in spite of typing that "How much you respect me" (Thing that I appreciate)... Do show respect.

When I said that was illogical to call "American football" football, you told me that everyone trying to give the european football the monopolistic right to be called football "was an idiot". Now, first, you tell me I am venting frustrations... Your post has the overall feeling that I am too dare to post about something I have no idea, assuming, I pressume, that I haven't read Marx... But I did. Damn, I even I made exams about him. You say that "I prefer to argue about phantoms" than being enlighted by your clairvoyance.

And finally you accuse my post to be a logical fallacy. Amazing... In first place, it is you who incur into logical fallacy. You say that "Farlander attacks the Marxists by attacking Marx, but Marx was not really a Marxist, therefore, he is wrong" when what I really say is "Marx was a cunt... everyone who used anything even tangentially related with him to create a philosophy must have been nuts"

I think everyone must agree that any adult firmly believing the original concepts of socialism/communism/maoism/blah blah... must be nuts. I am not saying that everyone voting democrats, or a moderate left party is nuts. So, please, if you are going to attempt to change my worlds into something like "Farlander hates the left, he is a fascist" to sum all the left sided members against me, reconsider it, it' s not going to work.

I say extreme left people are nuts. The problem is that extreme left people are seen as "cool", have lots of website in the internet homaging him, and their faces printed in t-shirts.

I can' t imagine someone with a B&W image of Hitler printed in his t-shirt, with a quote "Till the last bullet!", but I see t-shirts about an assassin called "Ché Guevara" everyday with the lovely "Till the victory, allways!!!" Why? Extreme left has been as genocide, greedy and dangerous as Fascism, but no one seems to care. People in this thread has shown admiration to Guevara, and I' m sure many of them respect Castro, Morales and Chavez. I would feel very sorry if any of the members commits the mistake of showing admiration towards Hitler, Mussolini or Pinochet. Hitler, Mussolini and Pinochet were crap, make no mistake... But Stalin, Castro or Chávez are not better.

So... Akumayo. If you want to be a socialist, great. But if you move too far to extreme, you' ll have to assume that you are as nuts as the people seen in American history-X, just that in the other side.

And Petter... "Famine in Africa can be blamed to capitalism"... Why? West capitalist counties ore ok. America is Ok, Spain is ok, Sweden is Ok... Why Africa isn' t? The overall theory is that "the greedy West capitalist countries have exploited the resources of the poor countries to starve"... let' s analize this. When Africa started to go bad? Aproximatelly during the XXth century. What happened before? A system of colonies... Greedy and Fascist? Ok... I agree. But at least people had something to eat. There was famine in India before the brits left? I think now... Was it bad in Congo, when the Belgians were there? No... The example can follows... Iraq is another example. So... The theory of the "colonization is evil" collapses (Unless I am wrong and India was worst before than now...) If Africa is going bad is because most of the countries are ruled by communists warlords who preffer to pillage the international aid (95% given by CAPITALIST WEST countries) than giving food to their population.

Now, if you want to refute this with the next point of the international socialist youth manifesto "Poor counties are dying because we steal their resources", then you should look to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia or Qatar... I don' t think those are poor countries, do you? And no one of the enterprises exploiting the gas resources are national. No... enterprises of the west are under a legal enviroment which makes impossible to "steal" resources. Resources are wasted when the (Chávez/Morales/Hussein/Jon Il... use the example you prefer) start to make their personal fortunes bigger by stealing national resources. Do you know that the biggest fortunes or the world are, or have been, Castro's, Hussein's, Arafat's or Mobutu' s? Do you know that people is dying in North Korea while Kim Jon Il wastes 75% of the national income in military spents?

As you say that capitalism does not work, but are a smart person, and you might know all that flaws that the left has, I would like to read the solution you propose to sollute all this...

Some of the thoughts have been funny to read, but it's  time to be serious...

Communism, socialism... does it work? Who created the bases of communism? Under my point of view we should take the doctrine into consideration if the creator was a superior intelligence, a scientific who demostrated that it works, or even, by admiration (even if he was wrong), a saint who put in practice the doctrine on his own by sharing its money with the poors and proletarians.

Was Marx some of that things? No... Marx was a poor student and a failed poet. His life was full of dissorders (Too much drinking, too much parties and too much of spending money... money that he never earned) in such degree that he lost relation with his parents because they didn' t allow to give him more money for his parties. The last letter his father sent to him before dying was "Karl, please... relax, spent less money".

An example of how good manager he was is that two of their children suicided and two other died by famine or lack of medical care (Because daddy wasn't able to stop going to parties, dreinking alcohol and using laudanum)

He had an illegitimate son, and his friend Engels had to recognise it to avoid problems. Engels sustended Marx' s style of live, because he was so useless to keep it without help. Only once the friendship was close to be broken... When Engel's wife died, Marx wrote to him "I'm sorry... and ah! Send me more money!".

He claimed that the cancer of the society was the bourgeoisie, but his style of life was the one of a new rich (paid by Engels), educating his kids as bourgeoises, with piano and english lessons (Lessons that were not very useless when Engels stopped sending money and then they died of famine, but hell... knowing how to performance Mozart...) He also set the bases of antisemitical nazism (Funny, because he was born Jew), because his style of life forced him to treat with Jewish lenders...

Really... I find Einstein' s theories interesting because I consider him a superior intelligence. I find Mendel' s theories interesting because he has prooven to use a scientific method that make them appealing... And I Saint Therese' s example as worth to have in consideration because she preached with the example and went to India to fight poverty. I find nothing of that in Marx. He was not brilliant, or admirable. His theories are just a reflex of his own frustrations and fears... God, he was not even close to a factory, or never treated with "the proletarians".

Economy must not be left or right. Any specific problem might need a social or liberal approach. Extreme left is as worse as extreme right...

If you focus on covering all the vital necessities... what happens with the other? Akumayo... Do you like music? Do you think that in a socialist country there is a "Statal Rock band"? Do you preffer Reggae? Do you think the Kim Jon Il, or the Castro, or the Evo Morales of the Unites States is going to say... "Ok, our youth needs Reggae... I am going to give funds to the "Statal Reggae Band" Do you think it' s going to be a necessary a "Adventure graphic statal department" if we are ruled by socialism? Do you imagine a "statal department of porn", or a "Statal department of carbonated sweet drinks"?

Because if you are serious about socialism, then, you should get used to stop listening music, seeing the playboy in magazine stands, drinking coke and play Splinter Cell... that' s over. Might sound like a fascist apocaliptic propaganda, but it's true. If there is a central focus of decission, that entity will finally loss contact with the real necessities, it will fall into lack of productivity and will collapse. Also, one of the best things that socialism has, apparently, the end of social strata, is a complete lie. There hasn' t been in modern history more difference between social strata than between the members of "the party" and the rest of the people than in the USSR.

Also... how do you expect to progress in a socialistic society? Do you expect Bill Gates (or whoever) to expend 18 hours per day working in developing an OS, if he is going to be paid EXACTLY the same than the other functionary that works with him and work nothing? Do you think he' ll feel incentivated to improve something if the "Party" is going to take his invention as soon as its shown to be effective?

Do you know the pyramid of necessities of Maslow? Socialism is trying to cover the two first steps, no matter the cost, and nothing else... It works, and it covers the vital necessities and the security necessities for a time, but that' s just an illussion, it finally falls into lack of productivity and all the pyramid collapse.

That guy was great... I loved the scene of the cabin in "A night at the Opera".