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From now on I will always think of Jesus as a zombie carpenter. Even though I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. 

He was a carpenter... and he was dead. And after passing away, he started to walk... A zombie carpenter.

But I want that f*cking record SSH is talking about!!! 

Miguel leaves the thread!

God does not exist...

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We win!!!

Weeeeh!

No problems, I was not trying to start an argument here! But I just realised that this is just a matter of "tastes". I preffer Roy, and I preffer also Elvis' "Bridge over troubled waters" than S&G's, but that doesn't mean that I think that S&G are bad, or even not so good as Elvis or Roy... It's just about tastes.

Even with that (S&G being two voices) I have to dissagree... IMHO, and in many others honest opinion as well, Roy was better, clearer, higher... Even Bruce Springsteen, a quite respected opinion in music, said: "When I went into the studio to record the album, Born To Run, I wanted to make a record with words like Bob Dylan that sounded like Phil Spector. But most of all, I wanted to sing like Roy Orbison. Now, everybody knows, nobody sings like Roy Orbison."

I agree with Rick... My favourite song is "This magic moment". Pitty that I discovered him some months after he passed away.  :'(

I agree somehow that religion is inherent... Leave a group of man in a jungle and in that generation, the next one or two after, as much, they will invent some kind of religion, but... is that good? Inherent to man=good? I don't think so. Take a look to the third wave events, the Stamford prison experiment or the Milgram experiment. Human being can create the best, but also the worst.

So, if inherent to human nature doesn't necesarilly mean good, at least we should see if what religion says is TRUTH. If there was an universal religious source (A God) every isolated man in every isolated jungle should reach to the same conclussion: There is a God, and the teachings of that God are X, Y and Z. That doesn't happen. Some civilizations reach to the conclussion that there is a God, some others think there are several, some people think God is a man of infinite goodness, some other think it's a warrior God, some others think every natural event is a God doing divine stuff... A real mess, a mess that reveals that humans invent Gods, and not the opposite.

Nacho, give me a brake!

I'll give you a kiss instead! 

Aliens are IN Pop culture or aliens ARE Pop culture? Mmmmmmm...

Nacho, I do have something that makes me feel funny about others. Some people that I immediately find suspicious while others I find trustful. Me and more or less everybody else I know.
It's nothing supernatural, really, but because it's something that I can't smell or listen to I called it a 6th sense. And I did threw a bad joke with it.
So, sorry pal. I'm not supernatural.

Message received: "Religion is something contrary to common sense, that can bring bad stuff, or good (not being the good one better than any other stuff inspired by non-supernatural source ideologies) that we feel as real by a 6th sense that we can't explain"

Sounds completelly logic...

"6th sense"? Okay, now we have something to discuss about. Prove under experimental circumstances that you have a 6th sense... It's easy, guessing which is the hidden card more times than the expected by luck, for instance, or something like that... Actually, you can put the test!

If you don't pass the test, you would be justifying supernatural stuff with some other supernatural stuff... In other words, you would be saying something like "I believe in Donald duck... a smurf told me it was real!".

Rest in peace... my childhood is vanishing... north and south... ghost... phew.

I don't hate you... ^_^ I only hate hate...

Hey, I was basically refering to Miguel... To be honest, I read his posts more carefully than yours... 

Hey, I don't think I am being aggressive... If I was, apologies, I just wanted to be an aggressive debater, not taking this to the personal stuff... 

That's because you can't command those killings. What makes you different from all those ruthless kings and dictators that against the word of God did commit genocide?
Given enough power to any one of us at the forums we can become something quite unexpected.
That's when religion clicks in and reminds us that we can be punished if being bad.
Got my point?

Okay, so, according to you, all non believers are potential genocides...

And after saying that, you ask for "respect my beliefs"? A belief that assumes that anyone but "the good guys of the church club" are, basically, potential bastards.

Okay... Thanks for the info. Thanks for reminding me why I am an active atheistic.

If you want to throw philosophy on me, please follow my thoughts at what I'll try to explain next.
   Imagine a world without religion at all;
   because man is intelligent and capable of deciding everything without a higher presence than him he will come to the fatal and final conclusion that he is going to die.
   The reason we do follow the rules of other intelligent humans is because we refuse with all the strength of our last hair foil that we are not facing death any time soon.
   If I had that notion very close to me then my acts would be pretty much different than our current world.
-----------------at this point you're starting to reply and contest my words, but wait a little longer--------------------------
   I know that I will die and that's it, there is no reward or punishment when I do.
   I am sent to war and kill others because I'm told by others that is the right thing.
   I can fool and even steal from others as long as the rules aren't broken (if I buy your company I can just fire you);
   I can produce other human beings without any love between people ever to exist;
   I can become a ruler of an empire and declare that 30000 people will die tomorrow;
   I basically can refuse all the links you supplied me because I can simply not be seen doing them.

   I firmly think that human rules and laws are easily bended according to one's needs and because there is no divine punishment or rewards man will never achieve those high standards you kindly demonstrated through Wiki. And do you know why? Because they can.
   Because they aren't morally accused and put on stand by God.
   
What man should be? 

So, that's the point of all? "Religion" is better than any other kind of education because it has the notion of the afterlife? I don't believe in life after life and I haven' t reached to any of those conclussions. I don't believe in the afterlife and I don't want 30,000 people to be killed tomorrow... I think you over rate religion a bit. Your statements are quite flawed, I am afraid.

Hey! Reply to me! You say that the oly difference about the religion and any other non supernatural inspired education is that "you can feel it". I can't.

-I have flaws? What happens to the people who can't feel it? Are we going to be punished in some way? Why, are we guilty of not being able to "feel it"? How can "God" create flawed humans who can not "feel it"?
-What happens with people who "feels" something that is different to the thing you feel, like, for example, the scientologist or those who follow the "Force" (Stars Wars) religion? (To make it clear... The "Force" is a real, official religion in, for example, the UK), How can you distinguish that your "feeling" is the good one and theirs is not?
-What happens with those who "feel" God does not exist? Do you assume your "feeling" is better?

That's a big clasist, don't you think so?

Religion is another part of the human being. It's the "there's something more" factor, something we cannot measure but sense it's presence.  

How? I don't sense it...

So, you agree that a religion is undistinguishable from any other way of human, probably non perfect, education?