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You keep saying Palestineans are totally religiously motivated.. Are you familiar at all with that rivalry?  Israel was founded after WWII when a lot of Jewish people rightfully didn't feel at home in Europe anymore.  So they tryed to take back their holy land.. from the Palestineans.  Israel was not officially in existance, Palestine was there, then Israelis took over with justification from the UN.  Basicaly their rights were voted away by foreign countries, and Israel gets super-awesome military toys from the US while Palestine is defending its freedom and right to keep their nation with what few machine guns and ammo they can get.  Fair fight?  No.  So what do you do when a bully is kicking your ass and you can't get out of it?  You take a cheap shot at his balls.  It's not honorable, but if they want to exist terrorism is about the only way they can fight back and get results.  That is the same reason Osama sent his boys into our towers.. I don't think he'd be able to make a statement by sending an invasion force and they are royally pissed about our military presence in their religious holy land of Saudi Arabia.  Did you know that?  That is the whole reason the Muslim people are angry in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying "terrorism is good" but you're mixing up your points and facts again.

Ok... some facts:

1) Palestina was a British protectorate, they had the right to make with it what they wanted.

2) 5 countries attacked a bunch of jewish people (Iraq, Sirya, Egypt, Jordania and Lebanon), people who had just came from the nazi´s Camps, incomplishing the first UN resolution. Well, if that´s an example of way of behave of the "good guys", the muslims, thanks, you´ve answered my question in the way I wanted. \o/

3) The Jewish offered the palestinian to remain in Israel, and became jewish citizens, with full rights (30% of the population of Israel are muslims, descendents of those people).

4) The palestinian who left, did it because the attacking countries promised them to kill all the Jewish and "paint the Mediterranean sea of Red with the dripping blood of the Jewish´ cutthroads"

5) The 5 countires lost the war, and, as they didn´t knew what to do with the palestinians, most of the countries took a "nice decission": killing them (Do you know that Jordania is the country in the world which has killed more Palestinians in History?)

6) Palestinians do not fight for freedon... As close they´re of having a free country, more suicidals come and kill 20-30 jewish. Palestinians terrorist groups are not fighting for the independence of Palestina, their foundational letters talk of "The total destruction of the infidel State of Israel".

I think that you must re-read you history notes, Mr. Shbazjinkens.

Well, Igor, that sentence that made your eyer roll was a stupid simplification, made by me, which I´m not very proud about   But I still believe that there is something wrong in their education, something  that I can´t see clear...

DG: You haven´t answered my question: My intention was you to say: "Yes, they´re more muslim terrorist, but because of bla bla bla..." and they, trying to explain which are they motivations, reaching to a final and common conclussion, but if you don´t want to discuss, ok, no problemo,  .

SSH: Yes, scottish, as usual, good point.

So, let´s turn the argument. One powerful Muslim country (Or Sintoist, or Hindú or David Koreshian, I don´t mind...) Invades a Cristian country, let´s suppose, France, ok? (Analogy, US attacks Iraq)

There are three more smaller Muslims countries whose leaders support the invasion of that country, ok? (Analogy, Spain, UK, Portugal)

Should I run to join a terrorist group to attack one of thet two little countires? The answer is: No. If some Muslim attacks France, fuck la France!  

Attacking an ally? Why? What have that guys made to me? It´s problems is with the french guys, why should I deal with their problem?

But that´s what many or Moroccoean guys are doing.  4 spanish guys have been killed by terrorist acts in Marocco. 9 more in Iraq. 13 spanish people in the last 5 months, that´s more than ETA in the last 4 years.

So... my point is... There is some "fuckin´ strange thing" in the muslim religion/culture/way of behave that make them fight like crazy fundamentalists as soon as something wrong happen in one of their countries. What is that? I dunno, but that creates my lack of confidence in them, excuse me people!

Could somebody explain me what it is?

Why are they killing spaniards? The polls show that 92 % of the spanish people was againt the war in Iraq...

Why do they hate us?

I have no reason to have a little unconfidence against muslims?

Let me explain myself, point by pint, and say " true" or false"  :

I told: 1) Muslims have been educationed in a way that I undestand that can´t be easily undersood by the Occidental culture, The high number of religious terrorist groups they have is an evidence of that.

Las Naranjas replied: There are also a lot of Cristian terrorist groups!

I replied: Many of that you mentioned are not Religious-motived groups.

You said: Are you justifying the terrorist cristians gropus?

I reply: No! I hate all the terrorists, fuck them all! But there are less cristian motived terrorists than muslims.

My question is: Do you agree? Are there more muslim terrorist than cristians?

If you say "yes", we can discuss of how guilty "the occiedental" culture is for that. We could advancein our discussion and even reach to an underastanding.

If you say "No". We´ve reached to an alley and the discussion will end, because for me, there is a FACT that there are more muslims terrorism than the occidentals.

Falange never was a terrorist group, it was like a armed arm of the Fascist army. It is like saying that The SS were a terrorist cristian group.

ETA: They demand the independence, they are cristians killing cristians.

Tha main motivation of many of others you mentioned was the independence...

I don't think Pro-Life had anything to do with gaining independence.

You also justify a lot of the actions of Christian groups (i.e. they weren't an actual terrorist group, they were gaining independence, they are only fighting other christians, etc)

Does that mean that a Christian extremist's right to kill outweighs a Muslim extremist's right to kill?

WHERE ON MY LINES CAN YOU SEE A JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY KIND OF TERRORISM??? MY POINT ABOUT ETA IS A GROUP OF CRISTIANS KILLING CRISTIANS HAS TO BE TAKEN AS "They´re not fighting for religion, their stupid leit-motive is another"

ALL THE TERRORIST ARE A BUNCH OF STUPID SONS OF A BITCH!!!1!! Do you know any terrorist DGMacPhee? I don´t, but  in some Muslims countries the breakdown of people who want to became terrorist is 25% (I.E. Palestinian) That means that there must be one or 2 guys in each family who want to become a terrorist.

I say that there are less Cristian terrorist groups than Islamic... ergo, there are more stupid Muslims than cristians.

That must be caused IMHO for their education, because I don´t think that any race is worst than other by DNA matters.

Now you´ll say that "There is a lot of US schools who have religion as a subject, and they´re so radical as the Islamic terrorists and bla bla bla bla...

So, if you have any doubt I´ll write to you in big capital letters "I DON´T LIKE CRISTIANS RADICAL GROUPS EITHER"

They´re also fool... and if you want me to explain you how ridiculous is for me the existance of God, PM me and I´ll pass you some docs I´ve written about that.

First of all:

Falange never was a terrorist group, it was like a armed arm of the Fascist army. It is like saying that The SS were a terrorist cristian group.

ETA: They demand the independence, they are cristians killing cristians.

Tha main motivation of many of others you mentioned was the independence... Which was the motivation of killing 300 people in a disco in Bali? Which one killing 3,000 in Manhattan? Which one 50 in Istambul? I see that my argument shakes when I talk in the "resistence" in Iraq, because we could see some parallelism in the Euskadi situation (occupation--->resistence)

But what Malaysia, Turkey, Argelia... Are they occupated? By who? O_O???

Yes, Crusades were 1,000 years ago. Mentioning the cruzades for telling that we did religious wars make me think:

"Are the muslims so mad/crazy as we were in the Middle age?"

If the answer is "yes" the conclussion is: We have advanced, they haven´t.

Ergo, the lack of confidence by many people in his culture is logical.

And I haven´t said that the 9/11 provocated the war on Iraq. I told that the the strike awakened a feeling: Dictatorial countries are impredictible and they may attack in any moment, that feeling provocated the war (that´s why I deffend a bombing to the Iranian and S. Korean nuclear facilities, and Korea is not Muslim, I think)

The reason listed are a lie. The truth is that 11/9 showed a valuable lesson. If you forget the dictatorial states, something wrong can happen to you. That´s why Bush attacked Iraq, and he should go on with Iran, Sirya and North Corea.

As you pointed out here, the greatest risk for world's security is not Iran, Syria or North Korea, it's The United States. Someone should stop that country.

Yes, makri, the US citizens will probably stop him not re-electing Bush, while in Dictatorial muslims countries nobody would do.

And yes, Shbazjinkens, compare dictatorship countries with a stamp made by american muslims, most of them born in US, is a show of ignorancy, but since 5 or 6 years ago, the first 10-15 minutes of every tele-news are dedicated to show inslamist terrorist strikes, which makes many people look without confidence any show of muslim culture. I don´t share it (In fact, I go every month to eat with my girlfriend to my friend Abdul´s restaurant, specialized in Moroccoean food), but I understand it.

Thanks for your oppinion, Rem  

Joseph, thanks, now I know how does it work for png scaling... But could you be so kind to explain me how to implement it in my ScummVM games, if you know how to do it?

Thanks.

     

I don't know if this thread goes about that, but my favourite book is "Jurassic Park".

No, it has nothing to do with religion, it has to see with a culture, the muslim one, who was inmensely happy when two towers with 3,000 people inside collapsed.

Um.. that would be Afghanistan, not Iraq.  The reasons Bush listed for invading were almost entirely lies.  If we invaded every country that was happy for our loss, there wouldn't be such a thing as an Arab state in five years.

The reason listed are a lie. The truth is that 11/9 showed a valuable lesson. If you forget the dictatorial states, something wrong can happen to you. That´s why Bush attacked Iraq, and he should go on with Iran, Sirya and North Corea.

You should read Ian Kershaw´s biography about Hitler. His first steps about an agressive foreign politic were very very small (like the militarization of the Ruhr), and the Nations league did nothing. A few years after he invaded Poland.

And that´s the problem... Whereas in democracies if a president becomes mad he´d probably won´t be re-elected, in dictatorial states you can´t messure the threat they represent in the 4-year standart time of a democracy, because dictators may rule a country 30-40 years, or pass the power to his sons, as Saddam expected (We could be talking of a dictadure of more than 60-70 years) In that time, if we let them be re-armed, the threath could be enormously dangerous.

There is a quote "The best that may happen to the evil is that the good men do nothing". Sometimes fighting is disgusting, and not easy to understand, but I do.

Are cristians doing that? No, we´re 3,000 milions and no one of us uses the name of God for killing...

If Bush's crusade against muslims in Iraq wasn't killing in the name of Christian God then nothing is.

No, it has nothing to do with religion, it has to see with a culture, the muslim one, who was inmensely happy when two towers with 3,000 people inside collapsed.

Anyway, the Occidental society wars not happy with the war, whereas the muslims are happy of the wars and they applause the terrorists and the fighters. They make cellebrations when the terrorist strikes succed, we make manifestations against war...

Ergo, the Occidental society is better than the Oriental? Well, the fact that you write a post complaining about the war, discussing with me if the war on Irak was a war related with Religion or not is an evidence that Occidental and Oriental cultures are different.

In many Muslim countries, such a discussion about the government actions would finish with a quick trial and a shot in the head of the person who complains (examples, Nigeria, Argelia, Iran, Malaysia...)

I don´t think that the muslim people is worst than us, but I think that their governments are worst.

I can assume that your previous post means that you agree with me.

Edit: And, ah! Bush won´t probably be re-elected, whereas in most of the muslims countries the rules is the king, with a fake democracy, another advantadge of our society in front of them.

It´s usual to say by occidental good purpose people that radical muslims are a minority, and some day some crazy Cristian could do the same. Let´s examine the sentence... Are cristians doing that? No, we´re 3,000 milions and no one of us uses the name of God for killing... Our believs are not so strong, which for me implies that (and I hope that this won´t bring another religious discussion) that we´re not so ignorant as they are.

While in Occident a group of "fanatics" are considered "fools" (David Coresh), In some of the muslims countries the same groups are looked with sympathy (Jihad, Al Qaeda, Al Aksa Martirs...)

Groups like that are growing and they are being created even in moderate muslim countries (Yes, the turk group who killed more than 70 people last month eas a branch of Al-Qaeda, but composed of Turks)... You can blame that situation to whatever, but I don´t see mass affiliations to terrorist groups in non-muslims countries...

We must blame the muslims priests who are demanding young muslim people to kill for God. Let´s remember that 1/4 of the young palestinians want to be a suicide bomber.

I agree with Yaksplit, blaming a whole community, like the stamp boycott stuff for a group of radicals is stupid, but killing a group or 30-40 Jewish for reaching Heaven is so much stupid than that.

People has allways the chance to choose. We decide how to life, to respect each others ot not, to believe in God, we choose how to live and die. And most of the muslims choose to die killing people, in the inmense ignorance of believing that that is good.

What I mean is that the stamp boycott is a minor show of angry compared with what they are doing to us.

4) Remember what now?  Damning all Muslims for things done by certain sects would be like damning all of Christianity for the Crusades, Witch-Hunts & Inquisition.   Let every person (or at least every group under the same paster/priest) be responsible for their own actions.

Buff! the muslims´ prosecution was 600 years ago. In that time, Europe was the "Taliban Regime", Arabia was the cradle of a nice culture. Nowaday it´s changed... Havn´t they evolutioned in all that time?

Now, let´s remember that in the last 3 years integrist attacks have killed more than 5,000 people in the world.

But I think that not all the muslims are integrists, but I POO in that "Iman Sons of a bitch" who tell the poor ignorants to put explosive belts in their bodies to kill people in the name of God. The best way to reach heaven, ha!

Fuck them!

Definitely, I am with the good muslim people of peace.

I hate the integrists. Burn in hell.

If I had the chance to choose, I´d buy another stamp.

Oh I see! It´s like one of that options you can choose in scummVM like "Supersai", "Domatrix"...

Could you upload a screenshot of a Lucas´ game scaled with that Joseph?

Thanks.

Excuse my lack of knowleadge, but what does that tool work for? Scaling what, screenshots?

Is it a ScummVM file, may I assume that it works for playing the Lucas´ classics?

Once again, escuse me, I´m just a "painter", I don´t know many of the uses of many programs  :

The first one was in that early 80´s machine you had to plug to the TV, and it was some kind of 2-colour arcade called something "Arthur".

The first game... I can´t really remember, but I´m almost sure that as for GA it was "Indiana Jones and the last Cruzade"

b) Or believe that a religion invented by analphabet palestine sheeperds 3,000 years ago is truth and pray in the name of Jesus the ghosts to leave, making what a person that have called you "Paranoid" wants.

Don´t misunderstood me: Religions are good if you need them. Some times they help, but thinking that YOUR religion is the good one is very pretencious. If you are a christian... Do you think that you´re better than hinduists? Than Jewish, Muslims? better than the Romans, the Greeks or the Zulus? Why must they be wrong?

Religions have allways some similarities. Be good with the other, share... Use that, but never try to impose your beliefs to others.

Well, religion is a very sensitive matter... I don´t want to flame it in the sense that I really like how most of us take it, but somebody said yesterday in #AGS that "only christianism is good",and the message of Love by Jesus must spread all over the World"

It reminded to me a lot to the message of the misioners, people whose intention was to spread the Words of Jesus, spreading instead of that diseases and creating necessities that indigenes never had before.

Ok OK, I get the message, but let me say a few simple things to this :

1. - Being a follower of Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with religion.
2. - I never said that christians are better than others, because we are all people, and we all are of the same worth/value. I only imply, that Jesus is the answer, and the 1 truth. But I never mentioned being better than someone else, it's more like, with Jesus in my life I'm complete, and able to overcome situations better than when I did not had Jesus as my friend.

And to not avoid the subject, Gemmalah, I'm glad you feel more confortable, and I hope and pray, that peace will return to your room, and that you won't have to be affraid anymore. I know about being affraid, and also have had times, of nightmares, and  imagining things, and really feeling bad forces around me, and I know that when you are alone at your room, it can be pretty spooky. So I just hope that you may find the right solution to this, and also your other housemates, that they will also feel comfortable again.

Love,
Minimi  

If you say that you know the answer that necesarily implies that you believe that the people who does not share your oppinion don´t have the answer... Why MUST Jesus be the answer? I´ll tell you how many answers exist: 6, 000 milion, the number of inhabitants of the Earth. Everyone has an answer, why are you so pretencious to say that yours is the correct one?

I have a medular disease... . I was told to have problems in my spine in a few years, probably even a serious paralysis. I was diagnosed 10 years ago, and I only have a slight paralysis in two fingers of my left hand, I can´t play the guitar, and I´m lucky for not being a smoker, because it´s damn difficult for me to light on a lighter.

But that are minors problems... In spite of being in a wheelchair I am one of the best cyclist on my Shire. Now I´m happy for started practising cyclism when I was diagnosed 10 years ago.

I could have acted like a "good catholic" and sit and pray, but that isn´t my style. Make no mistake, I´m sure that now you want to reply that if I had sat and prayed now I would be healthier than before... of course not. The fisical activity has saved my life.

Of course, one of the big pushes in my cyclist activity was reading the book "It´s not about bike" by Lance Armstrong, AKA "How to win a Tour after suffering cancer" (Lance had 10 tumors in his body, one in the testicle, 2 in the brain and the rest of the body) After that he has won 5 Tours till the moment. That book is my Bible, I feel very confortable and familiar with the words.

I suppose you feel the same when you read the bible, ok, I know what you feel and I feel happy with you because you have something great, you have your "Answer".

But please, don´t try to change mine, Jesus is not the "answer", it´s not the "1 truth"... it´s your answer, your truth.

Well Gemmalah, I see that this has nothing to se with ghosts, sorry but sometimes the post became into something completely different, excuse me.  

It´s really an improvement, thanks for contributing Darth!