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Obama hasn't "just been president for a day" Still...

I think he will be president the 20th of January, no? Good look for him, if America goes Ok, the rest of the world goes also good...

Yup, Cox and Forkum... They seemed funny to me, and you complained. It made me wondering... "Wow, what is funny for me can be offensive for this guy".

Since that very moment I started to look at political comedy with different eyes. Seems that things have changed since those moments, and I evolved.

Thanks for making me better person, Petter! But I don' t see the point of you wanting me back to positions you disliked... 

EDIT: RickJ, as usual, thanks for your posts... Expresses most of my ideas, but much MUCH better! 

I' ve seen McCain' s video... Quite funny, but I don' t see much politics there... A guy laughing of himself, no attacks. A little bit with Palin' s impersonator, but not much. It is not something I am used to...

If you consider the three or four strokes of politics in Saturday Night Live as "political comedy" maybe this is more a semantic discussion than anything else... For me, "political comedy" is a person bashing about a party, generally the one which is behind of the polls, in a channel that has declared its sympathies to the "popular party", with an audience knowing where they go, to a place where a "comedian" is going to beat that political party they hate that much.

That' s what happens here. (Spain) If in the United States, England, Sweden, or in any country of the people who argued with me in this thread political comedy is so mature, harmless and funny as what you posted in your previous thread, then I am ok with it

My point is that making a joke about republicans or democrats is going to annoy, compulsory, from 40 to 60% of the audience, deppending of where you are. It has nothing to see with the scenario you describe, with minoritary parties.

Still, the jokes you can do agains minorital party (Old fashined communists, Nazis) can be funny as hell... You can even kill two or three people of the audience by suffocation because they were not able to breath because of the good laughs they were having... It shouldn' t have been a "brave" show, anyway. I am sorry, but the best monologue in the world can have a lot of positive points and being, still, not risky or brave... I don' t know where is the offense in saying "coward" that annoys you that much, to be honest. 

Look... I think I am going to read my posts again to see if I have written that political jokes are not funny... I think I didn't said that. I said I don' t like them (out of debate, if I don't like them, I don' t like them, as I am not going to like strawberries even if somebody argues with me about that for ages).

My points b and c, are still undebated... You talk about if making jokes about the popular party and the unpopular party can be funny or not, or have to be made or not... I am not discussing that. You can do political jokes... I am not going to send the Gestapo of the Stasi, but, I am simply going to ignore your monologue.

Ok, I am not goint to discuss with Snarky, because I don' t like his tactics, but the topic is still interesting to me, so,  I am going to debate with Ozzie, who thinks that I have "painted myself into a corner", apparently.

Here I said two things: One is that making fun of the popular political party is stupid. Now, let' s analyse that:

Imagine now one of those monologues making fun of McCain, and Sara (Sara or Sarah?) Palin, one of those praised shows when everybody is laughing of the good, intelligent puns... I guess you are even smiling remembering one of those... 

Imagine that...

And imagine now that the author of the monologue changes the direction of his darts and stars aiming Obama.

Same spirit on the jokes, same level of harm... But now directed to the fashioned, polite, all-of-us-love Obama. Can' t you imagine surprise faces, and some (all/much/one at least) of the audience thinking: "Wow... This guy is stupid" or "This man is a moron! How he dares???"

Can you rationally argue to me that the scenario I am painting is unaccurate? I think that if you imagine what I explained, propperly, you can' t do anything that agree with me that many of the people won' t react good. And if you ara a comedian, taking a path that is going to make the show unpleasant for the audience is stupid, sorry. Humour is for making you laugh, not the opposite.

My second statement is that making fun of the non-fashioned party is not brave (or is coward, if you preffer). Did I say that the jokes are bad? Did I say nobody has the right to laugh of someone beating McCain if that person likes political satire and he thinks the puns are bing funny? No.

I just said that it' s not brave.

And Ozzie... be honest. Seeing how popularity polls are in America, don' t you think that an Obama oriented show is going to get an applause, no matter if the show is supperb or just average? I honestly think that it should be definitelly bad for not receiving claps... Making humour that you know is going to succed even if it's not good is not brave.

That two things are the ones I said... If you think that is painting myself into a corner, debate with me...

You are not funny either... 

EDIT: I said what I said in a very specific scenario, comedians making fun of the popular, or the unpopular political party, being that decissions stupid or cowards, in a "show" context. I don' t think that saying that means that I think they are stupid or cowards. There is a difference into "making something stupid" and being stupid, I think... Sorry if I am not right.

Of course, that I don' t like that kind of humourists (cero in respectometer, in my "Comedy scoreboard") doesn' t really  mean that they don' t deserve respect as human beings, that I hate them or that they must be terminated... for me, 0 respect to a comedian means that, if I see him/her in a channel, I am going to change and put another. It' s not serios as you WANT it to be... Which makes me seeing a pattern:

"Georgia is not Europe": You are a racist.
"I think there' s going to be counter-Bradley effect": You are a racist.
"I don' t like political comedy": You want to kill all the comedians and substitute their shows with old Monty Python's episodes.

I think I had enough...

I said to you once. You twist worlds, you project and manipulate. You are boring.

Please, ignore me.

I am asking this politelly, and I would really like to be accomplished.

I, for my part, am going to start ignoring you from now, and forever, I wish.

The "paralysis/Cancer/accident/whatever" is the trigger that makes people see that person as human, therefore, the jokes are not funny anymore.

I don' t need the "event" to see that target of jokes as a person, so, I don' t see them as funny from the very beginning.

And damn... I love Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan!!! Stop making fun on them, suckers!

You know what results funny to me? Everybody trying to convince me that something that I don' t see as funny, actually is funny.

It' s like trying to convince somebody that strawberries taste good, or that golf it's interesting... "Ok, maybe for you it is, but not for me. I preffer chocolate and soccer"

But you can go on, and on, and on... I think I won't like it, even if this thread reaches 20 pages, but you never know!

It was just an example of how the joke can turn into cruel and annoying.

Imagine, I don' t know, let' s say Paris Hilton... The perfect target for jokes, blonde, stupid, rich... Let' s all make fun of her!

and now imagine she has an accident and becomes paraplegic or something... All those episodes, monologues, sketches about her would result extremelly unrespectfull and not funny at all.

That' s why I think humour must not aim to anything "real". It' s humour, please! It' s funny to laugh WITH, not ABOUT.

Is that political comedy? No... It' s cheating a politician, which is different, I guess...

I preffer the one that some Miami Radio Station did to Castro, though... "Sabía perfectamente que érais vosotros, id a mamadla, immmmpleialistas de mielda!!!"

Of course, but it's not an important part of the show.

It still annoys me... Those are my least favourite sketches. 

I think here in Spain they aired an episode (it probably was The Simpsons, probably Futurama was not in TV by that time) about Nixon the day they said he died. Unfortunate, but shows a reality... If you make jokes against "real people", that jokes can turn against you if the circumpstances of that person changes... That' s what I don' t like impersonations, either.

There are a lot of ways to make humour... Look at the "dead parrot" sketch. Who can get annoyed by that? Nobody, I think...

Look at the "The funniest joke". Nobody' s hurt. Even the german who fought in the Ardennes can feel that the situation is so unreal that it is impossible to feel annoyed. 

Look at the "melon head baby" travelling to the past, to the Nazi Germany, and finding a badge of McCain-Palin in the body of an incosncient nazi. Who can be annpyed by that? Millions of republicans. It's not a "brave" joke. It' s something specially preppaired to annoy. Same if happens in the other side. I simply dislike it. I don' t like to fuck 50% of the country because you don' t like a political party (left or right, I don' t care...)

Oh, I love yaaaa, Stupaaaaa!

I don't say "no" to those dates

Ok, I erase my previous commentary that you are a conspiranoid... Now I love you. 

I deeply apology for not liking political satire...

As someone said... I didn' t know that palm oil existed till this thread

I loved the Simpsons since, probably, season 8. After that, they simply were unable to make me laugh. Re-cycled jokes, for me it was like seeing the same program again, and again. I never even smiled watching family guy, I think it is the most over-rated show ever.

I like Futurama and Monty Pyton

You are a conspiranoid, Stupot... You called the wolf too many times before. You are not reliable. ^_^

Political comedy never made me laugh... sorry...

I don' t think there' s a problem in you not agreeing in a single sentence with me, there must be tons of topics we would agree 100% And anyway, "level of agreement" never was an important aspect for me to decide if I like a person or not, I simply do, or not! I think you are more or less the same, so, don' t put that embarrased emoticon!

Personally, and only speaking about the humour topic, if I see politic related humour, I switch the TV off... I simply can' t understand how humourists can make fun of politics that are going to represent around 45-55% of your audience. If you attack the political wing that is leading the polls, you are an idiot which can' t stand how democracy works, and how majorities choose a party. A party that you have no right to "attack" for having the possibility to do so.

If you "attack" the party that is below, you might know what majorities are, but you are bing a coward who makes jokes knowing that is going to have the safety net of the majority of the audience clapping your show. A humourist simply goes to 0 in my respectometer if gets into politics...