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Obama wrote "muslim" when he had to fill in the space dedicated to that matter in his documents for the University.

Of course, we know he is christian, Terran is right (He had problems with one of the priests he visited at the beginning of the campaing, no?) but he was obviously curious about that religion.

Which is something I basically give a shit.

A "Muslim" can be as good president as a Christian, Hebrew, or Sinthoist... About this whole thing, two things scare me:

-Why people really gives a shit about this for voting.
-Why universities want to know which is your religion.

And InCreator, you can type it: "United States"... It' s not going to bite you.

EDIT: Checking it in SNOPES... I was quite sure that the sources about Obama signing as "muslim" in his University papers were reliable, but I am not really sure now. Anyway, I keep with my deduction: If he is, who cares?

This is too stupid to be true, and thus not really funny.

I take not of that sentence for the next time somebody tells me "how funny Homer Simpson of Family Guy" are. 

I think this time the Democrats are too far away for expecting a third "last minute" Republican recovery.

Which is good, because Obama will win, and people complaining about Bush will realise that the alternative is same shit with different smell. Politicians are politicians. If a teenages awakes up one day and says "Hey! I want to be a politician" he can't be good. 

I do not violate people I might fall in love with... Too much complications.

I only violate people whose couple is:

A)Inexistent.
B)More than 1,000 kms. away.

Eric' s girlfriend was there, so, I would have never dare to touch him.

Preciselly... You can' t tell what it is... Or how big it is! The Turkey one might be a model, or a photo. It' s easy, you put a poster in the wall, you move 20 steps away, you zoom on it, and start filming shaking your hand, and putting a humidifyer (sp?) in front to give the spectator the impression that it is zillion miles away, that the "steamy feeling" is given by lots of layes of the atmosphera, and not by a close object. If you want to elaborate, you can put lights on it, and light them in intervals, or add reflexions with some easy F/Xs. I am not going to discuss about the Holland UFO, I see nothing, you could do that filming the mirrored image of a candle in a window.

What pisses me off is that I know how to do these effects. Some of them are rediculous, like filming an effervescent pill bubbling in a glass of water, and they are very effective. If I see those effects, and I see the guy telling me that he is the one who filmed it, and that it was in the sky I get very annoyed, because in that case that guy should be a "mistery seller", a person who make hoaxes to hint good people. Many times, the "witnesses" are the victims of those people (if they are not victims by a direct hoax, they deffinitelly are by the "atmosphere of credulity" these guys do). I will never get annoyed by people of goodwill. An skeptic will never go against the "people". Actually, we tend to solidarize with them... If we act, it's for them.

So, we agree to disagree with you about the topic, Mark But be sure that, wherever I had some problems with members about politics, or boobed avatars (problems successfully solved in person, thanks... God?) I don' t feel like I am losing an apex off friendship or respect to you for this.

Peace!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=RFO6ZhUW38w

I am sick of smoke... It' s true, I am not trying to be bitchy, offend the smokers, or exaggerate. I am phisically sick when I smell it.

But I can tell you that mittens takes place in open spaces, and people is extremelly polite when smoke... Actually, nobody smokes like a chimney here... I don' t know what they do in "normal live", maybe it's  the natural atmosphere, or that they don' t feel good smoking when they are a minority, but I don' t remember someone smoking more than 5 or 6 ciggies per day.

So, another problem not to care about! Let' s move.

Sorry to hear that, Chris... I know you and I am sure you must not only work hard, but also must be one of those guys who keep a good working atmosphere... Things must go really badly in your former enterprise if they must fire you.

But you will find a job soon If not, you can come to my home and I will pay you for sexual services

Mark, I love you and I allways will, but I see nothing there.  

I was kidding... That' s why I used emoticons. ^_^ I don' t give importance to this topic at all because I know it won't be a problem at all.

Oh, please, shut up! Seems like you imagine last mittens like a rave party of something... There was a night when some guys where slightly ethilic, but nothing else...  Everybody is welcome, no matter if you drink or not.

No... It's the mistery sellers who decide it's a "mistery".

If you are good at investigating, you' ll be able to find those days interviews, witnesses' words, telegrams and radio reports about what happened in Roswell, 1947. I am not talking about the "hundreds of witnesses" which appeared in the early 80ies, making echo about the wives' tales, but about those days "real" witnesses (I prevent you... Only 6 people saw the "disc"... Blazell, his daughter and son, Haut for sure, and then I think they were Sheriff Wilcox and a somebody else...)

You' ll see lots of "Balsa wood, something like rubber, paper foil, aluminium, something like a weather balloon, something like our battered radar targets and purple markings".

If that, for you, is a spaceship which has crossed the galaxy, congratulations.

That's the key, Mark... Aliens will go on thrilling you in 2009... and 2010, and 11, and 12... Because "THE PROOF!!!" will never arrive.

Fuck you all. I never succeded in raising the yoyo  :'(

Hey, thanks for the info about the Helios probes... I allways thought Voyager was the fastest object created by man, and it' s a data that is commonly repeated in the amateur scientific circles... I will update my data, now! 

Anyway, which such speeds, it' s better, IMO, to talk in Kms (Of miles, if you use to use miles) per second. Helios are like 70 kms/s while Voyager is 30 Kms/s.

No, no... Missunderstood.  Maybe I am not explaining it propperly. I am saying that radiowaves from "here" to "there" would arrive in 40 years. Since those radiowaves were emmited 60 years ago, their "trip that will end visiting us" started 20 years ago (Assuming they are 40 lightyears away, they "heard" us, and they had a spaceship preppaired before reciving the transmission, which is assuming a lot...)

Since in the first part of my post I was assuming that they were not able to travel lightspeed, then is when I said that they will probably arrive here in 766498 years.

The problem, Mark, is that I have never seen something that looks "that weird" in the sky for me to assumed that it' s an alien spacecraft... But that's just PART of the problem. The biggest problem is that I' ve seen images (video footages, photos..) that people claims, swears, shouts (!!!) to be clearer as water to be an alien spacecraft.

And that images told nothing to me.

So... If I see as "nothing" something they claimed it's "something" by them, I can't do nothing but assume that "everything" claimed as "alien" is just another missinterpration of something "normal".

Imagine this: Someone comes to me, and says: "I' ve seen Nessie, but I haven't been able to take a picture...  " What would you think of him? Well... You could trust in his word. Maybe he/she has seen it... I have nothing not to trust on him. It' s all about credibitily. Now imagine someone comes and says "I' ve seen Nessie,and I have a picture!!!" and this picture showns nothing but a floating log. What would you think of his/hers credibility?

Same with aliens... I' ve seen zillion of photos... I' ve investigated a lot. Nothing. I have been promised I was going to be given photos, videos, materials... All of them proving that those "impossible G' s flights", those lights, those "clear as water" sightings were true. I am still here, sitting, and waiting. And nothing.

"Alien" footage allways comes a step behind science fiction, not the opposite. Lovel talks about martians? Ok... a joker reporter comes with a joke story about an Alien crashing in Aurora, Texas. Flash Gordon comics have spacecrafts? Here comes Arnold with his "sighting story" (and suddenly, thousands of sightings start to spread out all around the country, disc shape, no problem Arnold saw boomerang like saucers, everyone is seeing "discs", because a reporter pissed it off when typing the news...) Buck Rogers comes with tales about abductions? Here comes the Hills, talking about abductions.

And no... We won't "be able to do that spaceships in 200 years". Scientists are quite sure that we won't ever do that.

Scientists not only doubt that we will do it... but also scientists doubt if the first steps into quantum mecanics can be done. I don't know if you undestood my post, but using worm holes as a secure way of transport looks quite complicate. We should de-built every Mod' s atom, to put them in a black hole, and build them in the same exact order in another black hole. And just a very few of particles of a black hole became Hawking radiation (which means that they can go fastest than light and, therefore, escape of the hole) Now imagine ALL M0D'S atoms to do so... In a micro-small enviroment. To put you an example, we are more far away that controlling a quantum foam that flies are to build a rocket able to go to the moon. It is highly unlikely that any civilization will do that. Your basic premise is that earth will be visited. You are wrong. And, as said, if finally aliens do that, if they are so intelligent to make our technology look so ridiculous as a fly seems to us, do you really think they are so stupid to be seen/filmed/photographed? I don' t think so.

The only possibility is (typical "believer argument") is to say "Well... they are aliens... their logic might be different... They might want to visit us, but never had the intention to hide, or mabe they want to show they are here, but "slowly"..." (A way to "show" that we, as humans, should have never chose)

Ok... and I reply: If we jump over the logic... Why stopping there? Why not assuming there are dragons (maybe there actually are dragons... maybe they are invisible... or maybe they can hide very well...)? Why not assuming that there are fairies, and elves, and trolls? If we must apply something out of logic to invent a science we do not know, if we must create an illogical psicology for aliens to make them act in the illogical way "they act"... why not applying that lack of logic to everything?

I would say why: Because then we should reach to absurdity. Aliens, for now, and according to what we know, are as absurd as all those mytical creatures... It' s just that they are fashioned and we can't see how absured they are, because we have the will to believe in them, and the will to believe in dragons, fairies, elves and trolls is extinguised, nowadays.

So, again... Show me evidences. Saying "200 sightings in a month" doesn't work, for a simply reason... There have been more than 200 sightings of something that has proven not to exist in the past (The Kraken, Nessie, Witches, fairies, demons, etc...)

EDIT: Ryan, why are my maths flawed? Voyager would last 766558 years to make 40 lightyears. Why did I use Voyager? Not because it's mission is to reach to other civilizations, as you think I mean, but because it' s the fastest vehicle created by man.

If they can come, they will probably be more highly evolved in certain matters than we are. So that's why we're sending signals across the universe, we're not sending them to be recieved by worms or whatever, but by einsteins.

You say "They might come, because they are more evolved", and after that you say "We are sending messages to be understood by intelligent civilizations".

I will start from the latest statement: I don' t really know what have to see that we are sending messages to the universe with "Intelligent civilizations are visiting us". "We send messages" is not equal to "we have been visited".

Second, let' s go with the "evolution thing". Basically, it' s impossible that "those civilizations" have come to visit us "in the old fashioned way" (which is, make a spaceship, and jump from a star system in a zillion years travel to see if they are inhabitated) because there is no machine that can last enough to make those travels. Termodynamics and chaos theory tell us that a ship like those will break before succeding in a trip like that.

There is also the "age" of the travellers issue. The only possibilities to do trips like those are:

A) Form a space colony that can travel for zillions of years.
B) Cryogenics

I will not mention the technical problems of possibility A (Again, Chaos theory tells us that a colony won' t survive enough by technologycal of biological problems, the size of the ship should be huge, etc...), but I will launch a question... Why? Would you wake up one day, pick up your family and "join the government call to imbark in a suicide mission that can last millions of years with the only reward that your descendants MIGHT meet another civilization in the future"? Me neither. Aliens neither.

B: Again lots of tecnological problems... the machine that should keep that EBEs (Extra Terrestial Biological Entities) alive should have no fails in zillion of years, no interruption of power supply. But once again we must look the psicologycal aspect... Why? Why sending (An risking) a living being when you can send probes? If they send probes we have the "durability" problem again... But there are more.

Another possibility: Sending the "probe" directly to the earth. That would save million of years in travels (The distance is still huge... Apparently the closest system which might have an intelligent civilization is like 40 lightyears away, which means that the Voyager (Or the remains of it) would arrive there in 766558 years) but... How to do it? The first emission from Earth that can be "heard" in outer space was send 60 years ago, which means that they won't "hear us" till 766498 years. How are they going to send a spaceship to here if they won' t know where we are till 766498 years???

Okay... So, let' s avoid that "minor" problems... let' s think that the aliens know we are here, let' s forget that they are too far to make the trip without the spaceship to get broken, let' s forget that they are too far to survive to the trip to the Earth without dying... How can they do the trip? With faster speeds?

Nothing "material" can't  go faster than light. Only the Hawkings radiation, which is almost infinitelly small and is in a singularity can go faster and escape from black holes...

Ok... let' s go to point A (A black hole), to B (another black hole), linking them using a worm hole...

That might imply that if aliens visit us they must be able to de-materialise materia, to put it in black hole A, and have the techonlogy to control the singularities of that black hole so perfectly that it will re-mount the materia in order in black hole B... Again, we must assume that those aliens have a black hole in the vicinity, but... what about us? Do we have a black hole here, in the nearby? No... Using black holes to come to the earth would put you EVEN longer than coming through the stars.

Ok... But alies DO HAVE gravitational technology. Then can FORM a black hole wherever they want, and put the destinational black hole wherever they want, as well... We are asuming that aliens do have enough tecnology to form an original black hole A, to enter there and de-materialise, to create a destiny black hole B, and materialise there...

And those aliens, with those amazing technologies are the same ones that crash in Roswell because they are hit by a ray? Are those alies, with that amazing technology the same ones that have proven to be so stupid that they can't observe us without being seen/filmed/captured? Wow.

So... as we can seen, nothing, NOTHING, from the logical human point of view tell us they can come, and if they can come, logic implies we are not able to see them. That implies.

A) They are not here, they don't have enough tecnology, so, UFOs are not Aliens.
B) They are here, because they have the tecnology... But if they have the technology to do the trip, they must also have the technology for not being observed, so UFOs are not aliens again...

So, either if aliens are here or not, we can't have observed them.

So... Can aliens be here? Of course... But we can' t have evidences of that. If you say "Aliens might be here" I reply to you "Yes... and dragons, and fairies, and Angels..." Are you up to believe in dragons? No? Why are you up to believe in Aliens?

Believing without support of evidences is, (and sorry, I wanted to keep diplomat here, but I can't express it better) stupid. That attitude is the one that made the ancient human say "Hey, I hear a thunder... that must be a God' s fart" (which has been proven to be wrong). That made human being believe in fairies, witches, demons and giant sea snakes (which has been proven to be wrong). That attitude is the one that makes that nowaday in the XXIth century kids are still being told that "languajes were made because God was unhappy about how good Babel Tower works were going", or "God wake up one day, realised he was annoyed with his children, and said "Hey, what the fuck??? I will kill them all with a DeLuge" (Things that have been proved to be wrong).

When a question is raised, if you come to reply it with the fastest answer that comes to your mind, you are being shelfish and pretentious. It is nice to say "I don't know". You see a light in the sky? Yes? Me too. Do you know what it is? No? Me neither. Why do you say it' s a spacecraft driven by an alien being? You don' t know what it is... Full stop.

Skeptics are told to be "pretentious" because "they tell people what to believe". Sorry... When we see a light we say "I don' t know what it is, it might be a million things. I don' t think it' s an alien spacecraft, the matematical probabilities are tiny" When a "believer" see a light, passes of 999,999 plausible possibilities and claims "It' s an alien"

Who is being pretentious here?

what I said 10000 posts before is that WE can't go to other planets that would have a MORE intelligent life form than us or an equal. However they might be able to come.

How?

Zeitgeist? That documentary whose author recognised that he invented everything to prove that people can swallow everything if it's  presented in a documentary format?