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Evidence will change my mind about anything, what would it take to change yours?

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Can you develope your reply?

Once a beliver said "You won't believe in Aliens even if you get a photo of them waving its hands out of the saucer and yelling "hey! we' re here, sucker!".

He was right... As seen in youtube there are now amazing CGI animations of UFOs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5jmbSjWkw

The funny thing is that this films are allways one or two steps behind of Hollywood SFX, and arrive just when those animation tools reach to the amateur film makers. ¿Coincidence? Mmmm....

But the "genuine UFO" films DO NOT SHOW an "alien waving it's hand out of the saucer". They show nothing. Only lights in the sky... As said, I don' t think someone would travel for millions of years through the universe to switch the lights on and leave. It' s rediculous... It' s lime me flying for 35 hours to reach Sydney,  buying a coke in the soda machine at the terminal, and then come back with no further visit.

"Roswell, Inconvenient facts and the will to believe", By Karl T. Pflock.

It' s a book by a man who is a die-hard UFO believer (but also a serious investigator, very odd in this "Ufologists world"). He basically says that Roswell is crap... Well, Pflock, says that everything shown as an evidence of alien visits till now is crap.

And he is believes in UFOs... and has been pursuing lights for decades.

Mmmmm... makes me want to make a game about it. If somebody can do the script, I put the graphics. Not kidding.

I find it silly, rather than "unpopular" but I am happy it moved from gen gen

Ahhh, thanks for your explanations, Andrés.

Yes, in Spain that tale is called "Pedro y el lobo", and yes "Parábola" has two different meanings in Spain.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%A1bola

We see a light in the sky and we say: "It can be a million of different things. I don' t think it is an alien spacecraft".
"Believers" say: "I give a shit about that other 9,999,999 possibilities. It' s an alien spacecraft". Who is the sectarian here?

you can't give me a good explanation of what, for example, those lights in the sky making formations are.

I can' t give an explanation to which light formations? The ones filmed by the mexican air force? I can. I' ve studied so many SPECTACULAR cases that ended being NOTHING that you must apologize me if I don' t start to run to save your live if you shout "The wolf is coming!" (Nacho hopes that "Peter the sheeperd and the Wolf" parabola is known in the anglosaxon world...)

When I was young I was a Yankee fan, but then I knew about all the Babe Ruth stuff and moved to Boston RS... As for football I am a NE Patriots supporter.

As for soccer, FC Barcelona, of course.

And for cycling, I think that the best team I' ve ever seen was the Tour 2003 US Postal squad:

Lance Armstrong
Roberto Heras
Triqui Beltrán
George Hincapie
Floyd Landis
Pavel Padrnos
Víctor Hugo Peña
Chechu Rubiera

1996's Telekom was supperb as well, and 2008 CSC. I can' t talk of previous squads, but apparently Merkx' s Faema was fantastic.

Some people says skeptics are sectarian.

We see a light in the sky and we say: "It can be a million of different things. I don' t think it is an alien spacecraft".

"Believers" say: "I give a shit about that other 9,999,999 possibilities. It' s an alien spacecraft". Who is the sectarian here?

Saying "you can' t prove it's not an alien!" is silly. We do not need to prove they are not aliens, as we do not need to prove Smurfs, or dragons do not exist. It is you who make the extraodinary claim. Prove it.

Saying "If you don' t see that lights as an alien, you won' t ever believe in Aliens even if they get out of the ship and wave tour hands in front of your face" is silly. That "lights" have been proved to be everything but aliens, even in spectacular cases as this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=020Wgbw-PcU

So, sorry... yes, I want them to approax a bit more, get out of the spacecraft, and wave their hands.

Do post a link to your source at least.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9707/roswell.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/9507/roswell.html

These are 2 short briefs... for further explanations there are some good books also... Far better that the ones by "Mr. Bermuda Triangle man", at least.

Yeah... saying that the total amount of witnesses goes from "hundreds mentioning a saucer" to "one mentioning a balloon" is sooooo weak as an argument...

All around that "Roswell case" is so shabby that if you still believe that there was an intergallactic incident there you are automatically invalidated as a witness... For me, you saying "believe me, that lights I see in the sky are alien spacecrafts" if you recognised that you believe in Roswell, is like someone saying "Believe me, I have seen fairies in the forest, and Mickey Mouse told me they are real".

It' s not just that the existence of project Mogul debunks all the mythology about the Roswell incident. Everything around that "incident" is silly.

Let's  review the case:

The "object" Mack Brazel found in his farm (big as a table, 48 kilos of duct tape, wood and plastic) had signs of having been there for days, or even weeks. It has nothing to see with the catastrophic intergallactic incident that Hollywood made us believe. The Sheriff George Wilcox, and the Mayor Jesse Marcel investigated the object for days before mentioning a word to the media. Nothing to see with the "commotion" that mistery sellers told the "object" provoqued. Why the incident was finally mentioned to the media? Easy. Col. William Blanchard, the commander of Roswell Base, was on holydays. The day before of his comeback he called the base: "Announce we have a saucer". He was really smart. If they really had a UFO, he would be the first american militar to recover one. If not, he could say "I was not there, my guys pissed it off, not me". Let' s remember that the first UFO sighting was done only a week ago, by Kenneth Arnold.

The day he came back, second officer Newton, Gen. Ramey' s (a commander who went there to see the "object") aggregate, and who worked as a metereologist in Okinawa, recognised the object as a balloon. The rests were shown to the media and nobody ever believed that something weird happened there in those days. Even the number one of "Fate" magazine, a paranormal devouted magazine which accepted everything did not mention the case. Even the compilation of famous cases till 1966 made by NICAP and APRO doesn' t mention it.

Till our friend "Bermuda triangle" Berlitz came in 1980, of course... He allowed the rumours to grow for 30 years and used the people desire of their 5 minutes of glory to make a funny compilation of interviews... Dozens, even hundreds, according to him. The problem is that those interviews are silly.

Mayor Marcel, who claimed that transported the bodies by plane was not a pilot... (Consequently not a WWII ace as he claimed as well). He did was not a physic neither, as he never had superior studies, but that' s another history...

Lidya Sleepy (who claimed that FBI interrupted a message about the saucer she was transmiting with her teletype) was operating a teletype machine that required the permission of the operator to cancel a message to receive a new incoming one.

Loretta Proctor (who said that the rest were unable to bend, burn or break) changed her testimony when her husband (Who said he never saw the rests) died. Before she recongised she never saw the rests as well...

Melvin E. Brown' s testimony (Who said he saw the bodies) was made... years after his death. It was his daughter who said (saying it for first years after his father' s death) that about the bodies. No other Brown' s relative mentioned that Melvin confessed them something regarding the bodies. Anyway, Brown was a cook and was not able to enter in the restricted areas where his daughter mentioned he saw the bodies.

Dennis, the undertaker, changed his testimony. He didn' t remember anything about "bodies" till 1980, when he said "The militars asked me for my smallest coffins". He changed that to "They bought me two small coffins because they wanted to conserve two aliens bodies" to "I went to the base with both coffins and I saw the bodies". When he was asked about his previous testimonies, he recognised he saw no bodies, but a base nurse mentioned it to him (A nurse that was never found)

And the list goes on till having 0 witnesses of the bodies, and only 6 witnesses of the rests. Not "hundreds" as Berlitz claimed.

One of that 6 is doubtfull. 4 didn't  approach to the rests enough to see anything, and the 6th says that what he had in his hands was... a ballon.

As you see... Roswell case is a big bluff.

I once spent about 6 hours watching my videos one by one, over and over, stopping and replaying the best bits. What is this? Discuss...

Egocentrism? 

You are allowed to believe in Roswell... but if you do, having all the info about the "incident" we do have now, your value as a contertulios in this topic reaches cero, since you would prove you are open to believe in anything.

I am curious about where do you draw the line of "reliable" M0ds... Do you really think that the Roswell Incident is reliable?

If your answer was yes, I am sorry, you are my friend and you' ll allways be, but your level of reliability goes down to 0. If you believe that this "Roswell incident" was true, there' s no need for you to go on posting "evidences", because you' ll prooved that you want to believe everything...

Well, that entry had enough quality to be labeled above the average level! ^_^

The first reply was funny, imaginative and original... The rest IMO are boring and a bit childish...

I mean, Mawildoer or whatever his nick is has been a bit naive to think that there was going to be an stampede of AGSers wanting to work for a unknown newbie member asking for sprites for a 3-d game, but, guys, don' t you think that you are putting a bit into his level?

You're a kid. That's all.

Don't be offended by what I'm saying. You've just got to move on and forget about it. You're a kid, you're not an adult.

Exactly... How are you going to behave like an adult when you are not? Wait and your childness will happen... And what you feel about that girl too.

Edgar Mitchell is a die hard believer who never stop surprising us with things like that from time to time... He was one of the "witnesses" of the Roswell Incident, being proved after that he never had nothing to see with that events. He might be senile, or something... People like him is what in the "skeptic" word is labeled as a "elite witness", which basically means "important people can goofe as well...".

Like the scientists building the Nuke-Bomb in the Manhattan project... They called the officer in task of the AA gun to shoot to the "object" they were seeing in the sky and that was going to "attack the residential complex where they and their families were living". The officer replied that "I don't care how many nobels they have, I am not going to shoot to Venus".

Yes, there can be "freaks" also in the high spheres.

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