Frank the farmhand -racist

[m0ds]

I'm sorry, this thread is being moved.

I agree the game should have some sort of content warning. Even though 12 year olds play Vice City I'm not one for allowing minors to play games with content unsuitable for them.

Now, this may be history, and it may not be racist - I agree. I haven't played the game so I don't know how graphic the scene is, but you have to remember that younger people feed on stuff like this. I have nothing against telling the truth to younger people, but at the same time as a once upon a time youth worker, I still don't agree with subjecting younger kids to graphic violence.

A game with people being burnt on the stake would easily grant a 15+ rating if it was a commercial game. Just because it's "independant" or "amatuer" doesn't mean it needs no rating.

[Eggie]

When reading this, bear in mind that I
A) Haven't played Frank the Farmhand
B) am stoopid
The depiction of rascism should merit a warning...IF it is in the context of 'adult theme'.
I mean, a 'drugs arn't cool' public information video isn't given a 15 certificate for 'Frequent moderate drug references' but a movie where people take recreational drugs probably should since it's a theme that some children might not be able to handle.

But I do agree with anyone about this.
Flinnt, you are overreacting. This game is obviously not rascist, in fact, seem to be against it, which is the same reason you were offended...

...Or something...

[Minimi]

well said, potch!

[shawno the working stiff]

I agree that there probably should be a warning about it, just for one reason.
If I had a young kid I wouldn't have a problem with him/her playing it, but I'd like to be aware of that this stuff was in it, so I could explain to them exactly what's going on.
It's important that kids learn about the truths of the world, so they aren't sheltered, whiney, ignorant brats, but it's important that they learn it the right way.
And that's by me teaching them.
Bitches.

[LostTraveler Unlog]

Racism is not a crime....

[Ali]

*Laughs at DGMcphee*

flinnt, you started by making a sensible suggestion that a game featuring racist characters should have a warning. Entering into a slanging match with DG Macphee has only made your argument look silly.

Also,

Take for example Walt Disney's Song of the South...
There is nothing wrong with it. And yet the film is banned

I had no idea that film was banned! I saw part of it on TV a couple of days ago (BBC gor' bless). Weren't you concerned by the rose tinted portrayal of the master-servant/white-black relations Potch? Perhaps if I'd seen the whole film I would have felt differently.

[Pumaman]

I can see the point put forward here, and therefore I have amended the game description to include the text "WARNING: This game deals with racist themes."

I hope that solves the issue for everybody.

Racism is not a crime....

It certainly is LostTraveler, what exactly are you trying to say?

[InCreator]

First -
Who gives a fuck?

Second -
How in the hell can anyone be offended by a computer game?
"Oh mom! A bad computer game made me cry showing weird guys in robes saying "niger"! bwaaaah!11!"

No respect!
Weak.Ã, 

[Pumaman]

First -
Everyone who posted in this thread, evidently.

Second -
Just because something may not offend you, doesn't mean that it isn't important to other people.

[Andail]

Why are you getting so worked up - have you no life ?

OMG! Zing!

You were close to having a case, but then you blew it with the worst chatroom-nerd retort there is.

And for the debate: yes, racism is a crime, depicting it isn't. 
People have the right to be upset about it without getting mocked, but that doesn't mean they can go around making demands and yell about it

[InCreator]

Well, let's say then that I feel offended when someone starts picking (without considerable or at least serious enough - reason) on a nice thing made for people to enjoy, such as an AGS game, which - in this case, was really good and well made.

This didn't sound like putting up a problem and feeling worried about it, with need to discuss it - but more like a picking a fight for no particular reason.

Game didn't give any ratings to right and wrong. It didn't praise racism. Didn't push any kids to join KKK. It just had elements of it, like million things in everyday life has -- such as history book, random WWII game or movie. Or shall I stop taking history lessons, because of my incredibly fragile and weak easily-offendable nerve system?
Hey, maybe we cancel schools, movies, etc?

I think that treating minorities like they were bunch of crying babies from whom we have to hide every sharp object, censor every hardest word and pat their backs all the time without asking if they care about it really, is bigger discriminating than racism itsself.

If someone calls me names I don't like, i punch him into face! Are black/yellow/whatever people worse? Less human than me? Can't handle it by themselves?
Well - I don't think so. Do YOU? Then you're a racist.

Hah.

So I step onto the side of "don't like? Don't play then!" crowd from now on.

Hm.
And agree with Andail.

[Pumaman]

I don't understand what you're arguing for. All that the original request was for was a warning to say that the game contained this sort of material, so that people have the ability to do just what you're saying - not play it if they don't like it.

[MrColossal]

It seems your angry about something else and just choosing this thread to project in InCreator

I don't see anyone "treating minorities like they were a bunch of crying babies" I just see a guy asking if a warning can be added to a game.

He also said nothing about censoring the game... Where are you getting this from?

and sutebi:

"Flinnt, are you a black american? Because if not, I think this is a moot point and you are just making an uproar for no reason."

Yea I agree, one time I saw a woman being accosted by some men after a concert, they kept grabbing her and she kept screaming for help... Then I read in the news the next day that she was raped and left for dead. No WAY was I going to help her since I'm not a woman... I secretly think that all the white people against racism and slavery are really black people wearing make up to look white! Otherwise they shouldn't care at all since it doesn't effect them at all!

[Moox]

Rascism is a fact of life, live with it. I dont want to make a big long post that peopl take wrong so I wrote a rhyme.


Human nature is to offend
Human nature you cannot mend

[Ali]

I disagree:

The idea of human nature is something of a construct
The idea that it's concrete often goes unchallenged

Poems don't have to rhyme.

[Moox]

You cannot challenge something that cannot be seen.
We have been into space, the ocean, yet we cannot begin to pry into the human mind. Only then can one comprehend the untouchable.

[shbaz]

You cannot challenge something that cannot be seen.
We have been into space, the ocean, yet we cannot begin to pry into the human mind. Only then can one comprehend the untouchable.

Yet you think you understand it, above us mere mortals.

Racism isn't ingrained in our minds at birth and it shouldn't be tolerated just because there will always be racists. I have news for you; there will also always be murderers, rapists, and thieves, and your broken philosophy doesn't make that any less a travesty.

[Moox]

Children are modelled after their parents, If there parents are rascist so they are so technicly it is ingrained at birth. The earliest humans knew how to kill, thats not evolution, its instinct.

[Kinoko]

Holy hell, I could have sworn this argument was over.

Maybe we should all just agree that the whole FtF thing was solved, and listen to some MC Hammer. Seriously, just try it - he solves all of life's problems.

This is the way we roll, we roll...

[shbaz]

Children are modelled after their parents, If there parents are rascist so they are so technicly it is ingrained at birth. The earliest humans knew how to kill, thats not evolution, its instinct.

No, technically it would be a learned trait, and at birth you are completely ignorant of racism for (what should be) obvious reasons. Also, do you consider that some children rebel? What about the children who know better than believe everything their parents tell them?