Food Update

[Toefur]

Uh, no Mr. Toefur.Ã, 

Bt

And you base this on what?

The simple fact of the matter is that all nutrients the human body requires are readily accessibly from all non-animal sources.

[Meowster]

Wuss

Wtf?

WhoeverÃ,  heard of an Irish Vegeterian?Ã,  Next you'll tell us you don't drink.

Wtf!?

People who don't eat meat scare me.

Boo?

Then again, you just gotta eat what you like.Ã,  Excuse me while I enjoy my Bacon-Cheeseburger, my cigarette, my beer and my heart attack.

Wtf?

Rusalka, be glad (or sad?) that your boyfriends (Kingzjester and Remo) are not here to argue (or flirt?) with you

Wtf?

It's like rabbits not humping or something.

Man! If there were WTF tags I would be using them. This whole thread would be filled with WTF tags. WTF? I make a nonsensical topic and you make sense of it? You people fill me with hopelessness, and WTF. Why does it bother you what I do or don't eat? Why do you get so offended that I do not eat meat?

Silly humans. IT WAS A PASSING REMARK!!! Let's get back to the topic here, which is what I'm eating.

....Oh.

[DGMacphee]

"When I grow up, I'm going to BOVINE UNIVERSITY!"

[Peter Thomas]

I ares vegan, too!

It sucks.

But it still rocks. Me and Toefur are great!

[Babar]

Toefur!! I finally got that! I could never live without meat...but...to each their own.

[Blackthorne]

Silly humans. IT WAS A PASSING REMARK!!! Let's get back to the topic here, which is what I'm eating.

....Oh.

Good point, Yuf.

I ate a donut earlier.  With Milk.

Bt

[Meowster]

People who don't eat meat scare me.

Why do you think genetically we have those teeth called "canines"?Ã,  For ripping and tearing of flesh, of course!Ã,  Not that an all meat diet is good, but we are omnivores and it's only through good science and food technology that the "natural" vegans can exist in any kind of healthy manner.

It's like rabbits not humping or something.

OMG you are right WTF I am going to go eat some meat RIGHT NOW you have changed my mind that I do not like the taste or smell of meat!

[Kingzjester]

Rusalka, be glad (or sad?) that your boyfriends (Kingzjester and Remo) are not here to argue (or flirt?) with you.

What the hell does that mean?

[LGM]

I don't get it.. I make a post asking a reasonable question, and it gets no replies.. Something like this is posted and it's swarmed around almost instantly.

[Meowster]

It's because I'm better than you, probably.

And anyway, you're one of the swarmers. I never swarm around any of your posts.

[Sam.]

I'm all for vegetarianism. Yay veggies. but vegans. thats just plain stupid. It hurts, it actually hurts, a cow if its not milked. The cow was not harmed. NObody was harmed. nothing. but you won't drink milk. most eggs do not contain baby chickens. yet you won't eat eggs.

one final point. yay vegetarianism.

[Meowster]

Okay, I am not vegan or anything. But I know Vegans that are vegans simply because they don't like drinking milk. I don't like drinking dairy milk. I don't mind it in coffee. But I drink Soya Milk otherwise. I prefer the taste. I also don't like eating eggs. Lots of people don't like eggs and milk.

I'm not vegetarian because of the poor animals, but because I just don't like meat. I think it's gross.

BUT, by the same token, that doesn't mean that animals DON'T often lead horrible, cruel lives to be eaten. Also, cows do not ordinarily produce milk constantly. To get a cow to produce milk, she has to have a calf. The calf is taken away from her at a young age and the farmer milks her to keep her milk production going. So in a sense, it is very cruel and unnatural and distressing for the cow and the calf.

Similarly, many eggs come from 'battery farms', which are hideously cruel, not allowing the hen to move for her entire life.

The production of Christmas Turkeys is also extremely sad. I got a pet turkey when I was little, because I was weird. It was an almost full grown adult bird, and I had to teach it to walk, eat and drink. It was sad because they are lovely birds, and are actually quite affectionate.

Pigs are very intelligent animals, and often their lives and slaughter are very sad. They can lead miserable, frightening, painful and distressing lives before they are slaughtered and processed for human consumption.

That's not the reason I don't eat meat. If I did eat meat, I would probably stop eating meat because of that. But the reason I don't eat meat is because I think it's gross. But yes; most animals suffer to provide food for humans, especially in the most profitably-run farms, and you can't deny that.

On the other hand, lots of humans suffer for the coffee I'm drinking right now.

So, whatever.

[Babar]

Cows HAVE to be milked, if they don't have a calf. Otherwise they um.....lets just say they have to. No need to go into details. I agree with alot of what you say about cruelty to animals for profit of their food, but I have found a way around that. I have 2 pet hens, and am very kind to them, and they produce eggs almost daily, so they are eaten. I also live next to alot of people who own cows, so there are constant gifts of surplus milk. I totally understand that the animals have to be killed to be eaten, and I am OK with that. It happens with carnivores in nature also.
Of course, I completely understand how you can feel disgusted by meat. Certain vegetables have the same effect on me. I even have an aversion to mutton and veal.
So, whatever

[Meowster]

Cows HAVE to be milked, if they don't have a calf.

Man, how did they live without humans, eh?!!??

Think of human females. They only produce milk when having a child. They continue to produce milk while the child continues to breastfeed. When the child stops, milk production stops.

[Babar]

nien nien! I said when they don't have the calf.. If there were no humans, the calf would be drinking that milk! Ok, so we remove the calf from it's mother...ooh inhumanity.....stealing of infants..blah blah....fine, that is what we do. However the cow is not so intelligent. It would forget about the calf (unless it was removed before the weaning stage).

[Meowster]

Have you ever been a cow?

Don't get me wrong, again. I mean, it's not something that bothers me much. But how often do humans make assumptions about the feelings of other animals and mammals and whatnot? Dolphins are amazingly intelligent! Birds are stupid. Cows are stupid. Meh. Goldfish have a memory span of three seconds.

How do we know this stuff? How do we really know that dolphins are wonderful creatures? How do we really know that birds only feed and rear their young from survival instinct rather than love? How do we really know that cows forget about their calves when they're taken away?

I had a cat. He was disabled, I'm not sure exactly what was wrong with him but he could never walk in a straight line. He was always wobbling about. I had him since he was a kitten, dying in a carpark. He was about two years old when we moved and left him with a relative.
TWO YEARS LATER I went back to that house and he darted across the yard and climbed straight on to my shoulder and started purring. He totally remembered me.

I also had a pet goat. He was going to be slaughtered at a few days old because that's what happens; the female goats have kids, the males are slaughtered and turned into Irish Drums and the females are reared to repeat the cycle. This guy escaped and I bought him from the farmer because I felt sorry for him. He became like a little dog. He followed me everywhere and he protected me from EVERYTHING, even non-dangers. He was AWESOME.
Over a year later I took him back on to the farm and his mother recognised him as her kid as a couple of days old. She was wary, but she came over to talk or whatever goats do. No other goat did.

We had pet lambs as well. The female used to really irritate the goat. He actually disliked her. He'd always butt her, but only whenever I wasn't around. Because he knew I hated that.

There's a lot more to animals like goats and cows and birds than people give them credit for. I guess it makes them feel better about eating them or something. To say that a cow forgets her calf is wrong. You don't know that. You've never been a cow and you can't ask the cow how she's feeling, so I guess we'll never know.

[Evil]

Have you ever been a cow?

If someone would rub my nipples to the point of lactation I wouldnt mind.

[rtf]

Off topic story:

One time I went to a mainly vegetarian place for dinner.  I saw a Turkey Burger on the menu. 

  Turkey Burger
   Our delicious turkey burger with the finest free-range meat available.  No hormones added.  Comes with fresh lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, veganaise, and fries.

Read the preceeding paragraph carefully, and you will see what's odd about it.

[Toefur]

I'm all for vegetarianism. Yay veggies. but vegans. thats just plain stupid. It hurts, it actually hurts, a cow if its not milked. The cow was not harmed. NObody was harmed. nothing. but you won't drink milk. most eggs do not contain baby chickens. yet you won't eat eggs.

one final point. yay vegetarianism.

Veganism is stupid? Why? Because you SAY SO? Holy shit.

Eggs? This is where most eggs come from:



Is a little dignity and respect too much to ask? of course it is! They're just animals... lets throw thousands of them into little cages, so they can't even turn around, can't even sit down, can't even form their social groups.

Most free range eggs come from places like that. Free range eggs that don't... they chickens get abused for what we want them for (eggs) and once they've stopped laying... they kill them anyway. That's nice. How fucking greedy. It's all take, take, take. We've got everything we want from them... well, their lives are worthless now... lets just kill them. How about a little dignity?

(By the way, I have chickens in my backyard too, that roam free. Nothing wrong with using their eggs.)

Dairy cows suffer a lot of shit like you wouldn't imagine. It's not like some nice swedish girl goes out into the paddock, gives the cow a little pat, puts some milk in the bucket, and takes it back to the homestead... It's a bit more like a factory setting.

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Cows don't NEED to be milked. They need to be milked if they have a calf... by their calf, to FEED THEIR CALF. And you better bet there's trauma if a cows calf is taken away from her. How about a little dignity? OH wait. Nevermind. It's just a cow. Doesn't matter.

[shbaz]

Actually, whether they have a calf or not, they'll continue to produce milk. They give them hormone shots so they will produce 10 times more milk than they would naturally and will do it without having had a calf. A lot of that, along with pus and a lot of antibodies that are slowly becoming less effective (because it's being given to you in your food when you don't need it) comes out in the milk. There have been few or no studies on the effects of these growth hormones on humans, so you're all human test subjects and you don't realize it. Go to notmilk.com.. even if you think that it's extremest to say that animals shouldn't be in factories, you should be able to realize why it's stupid to have a tradition of drinking cow milk in the first place. You know, we survived without it for a long time.. and the Orientals continue to do so with better health than us.

Animals are also given growth hormones so they will grow more meat and faster, so you're eating it in your meat too.