Personal questions :)

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Squinky- But who would do your chores Prog?

Why my midget army of slave laborers, of course!  The best part is that because they aren't my children and are legally adults I can claim reasonable wear and tear and even berate them when I'm feeling particularly nasty!  I highly recommend everyone make/procure midget slaves.

This thread will self destruct in 5 posts.

[Nikolas]

(Commencing countdown) FOUR!

Shit I never thought of that!

Slaves! Now that's a good idea to follow. I'm going to sell my two kids and buy myself more than two slaves!

[Vince Twelve]

Sorry, according to the bible, you can only sell your daughters into slavery.  Guess you're out of luck, Nick.

THREE

[Kinoko]

JJ, did you get that condescending prick attitude from your loving mom or your loving dad?

Vince, I love you SO much I'm gonna buy you ginormous Okinawan jug of beer, okay?

EDIT: Oh, TWO.

[big brother]

I'm impressed by how consistently not funny big brother was on his post above.

Humorblind. 

The swimmer argument is a serious parallel.

ONE

[MrColossal]

...Interesting that a lot of you agreed with the main crux of my issue. You all know that a child needs love and needs to be given love at a young age from their parents. However...you think that it doesn't really matter what you do in order to get the kid to begin with--or raising him. And that is astounding!

Why is it funny that people think children need love?

I thought you wanted the child to have a happy home

A child that is loved is more often than not in a happy home. The mother and father can also love the child to DEATH but the mother and father can not just be in love anymore or actually hate each other. It happens, so now what? Is the child doomed to a bad childhood? Should we bring the single parent up on charges of endangering a child when they don't get remarried as soon as possible because somewhere there's an equation that mother + father = the only way to give a child love.

Why a mother AND a father? Because the father has a kind of authority that the mother doesn't have--and I'm sorry, but that's just the way things are. You and I both know it...and a child needs that kind of an authority figure in his life.

Leave off how backwards your statement is, I bring the idea of a single parent home back into play. The mother dies and the father raises the children himself, I guess the children are doomed, right? Why is the father an authority figure? Is it because men are big and tough and women are small and weak that they can't be authoritative?

....You know what? Maybe I should tell you about how I was raised so that you can see where I'm coming from with this...

That didn't help at all, I was raised by a mother and father and I have a brother and sister. Yet I have no awkward notion that single parents, gay parents or foster parents are somehow inferior to my mother and father. There's another question, should we just get rid of the whole foster child thing or only allow it if there is a mother and father in the home, because obviously it's doing no good and the kids will get no love and grow up to be bank rapers! [where one runs into a bank, shoots into the sky and demands the vault be opened so he can have sex with the money, UNWILLINGLY! That's how morally vacant they are, thanks for not being there dad!!]

I wouldn't have life any other way! The concept of two guys or two women "marrying" and "raising" children is foreign to me.

You know what else is foreign to you? Having a parent with cancer and what that's like. Or having a life where the mother or father has to move all the time because they work for the military [go ahead, tell me that parents in the military can't raise a child correctly]. My parents are legally divorced so my father could run for office in another county, am I doomed? Or is it because I've moved out of the house that I'm ok, but I moved in with my girlfriend and we're not married, oh no! My morals!

Again, there are people who 100% know in their bones that they were born in the wrong body, they have gender reassignment surgery and live their life 100% as a man/woman and never look back or think in a different way, are these people unfit? Is it anything that is foreign to you that you don't accept as a good place for a child?

oh one last thing...

"it doesn't really matter what you do in order to get the kid to begin" again, no more adoption?

Eric

p.s. ZERO! COCKS COCKS COCKS!

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

Well, I'll clear something up. Whether you want to call it tolerance, or acceptance, what I mean by "Accept the fact people wont stop having sex" (or whatever I said) is acknowledge it's a fact. Which is it

I can acknowledge that it's a fact at the present time. I have slightly more trouble acknowledging that it's been a fact throughout history; although it may have been, remember that our view of the past is often biased by the prevailing views of the present. I have the most trouble acknowledging that it will always be a fact, because appealing to tradition is a logical fallacy and I need more proof than that.

Of course, this is assuming that what you mean by your statement is "acknowledge the fact that people won't stop having sex for recreational purposes". Obviously, it's much more likely that people will always be having sex period, because without it, new generations wouldn't even come into existence. Unless, of course, we get ourselves a Junior Anti-Sex League and reproduce through artificial means...

Why a mother AND a father? Because the father has a kind of authority that the mother doesn't have--and I'm sorry, but that's just the way things are. You and I both know it...and a child needs that kind of an authority figure in his life.

Leave off how backwards your statement is, I bring the idea of a single parent home back into play. The mother dies and the father raises the children himself, I guess the children are doomed, right? Why is the father an authority figure? Is it because men are big and tough and women are small and weak that they can't be authoritative?

Nah, it's because we live in a patriarchy that holds authority and power to be its highest ideal. If women ruled the world, we'd more likely have less wars, and our societies would probably be based more on nurture and having a sense of community. However, it would also mean that instead of countries hating one another openly, they'd act all nice in public but gossip behind each other's backs in private.

P.S. NEGA-TIVE ONE!

P.P.S. Apparently, I'm going to hell too. However, when I went back and tried checking off "Innocent" for every answer, I also was told I was going to hell. That test must be reading my mind or something!

[MrColossal]

However, it would also mean that instead of countries hating one another openly, they'd act all nice in public but gossip behind each other's backs in private.

In my not-so-limited experience, all ladies do in the ladies' room is talk and fix their hair.

It's all coming together now!

When Bush says to the Israeli Premier he has to go use the Little President's room and makes a dramatic head nod to the toilet while widening his eyes at Cheney, he isn't just Presidentially Pooping!

[jfritzyb]

Nothing wrong with adopting--however, it would be appreciated if a parent kept their child and raised it properly. Instead of shipping them off to some foster home that could care less.

Now, you brought up an interesting point...and I'd like to share something with you since you brought it up.

It's preferred that a child have both parents, but if, let's say the father dies and the mother is the only one around, then the mother can get in league with her mother and/or her most trustworthy and close friends in order to raise her child properly.

If you will turn to 2 Tmothy 1:3-5, we read that the Apostle Paul is writing a letter to a young man named Timothy. He states that he's thankful and glad that he consistently prays for Timothy everyday. When we reach verse 5, we see him praising Timothy's grandmother, Lois, and her daughter, Eunice, for believing and trusting the Heavenly Father God to begin with.

Obviously, they had taught Timothy what it meant to trust in God and the Apostle Paul admired that trust that he had in the Lord and enjoyed talking with him about it. He loved the kid--so did his mother and grandmother. They all loved him--and admired his faith in God.

It's interesting to note that there is no mention of the father--only of two faithful and loving mothers taking great care of their child's welfare.

What can we conclude from all this?

For some reason, the father isn't mentioned--only the mothers. However, the mothers are praised for having complete trust in the Heavenly Father to begin with. And it was this faith in God that they taught Timothy--and sure enough, he followed in their footsteps.

So...if you don't know what it means to have trust in the Heavenly Father like you would trust a parachute before jumping out of a plane, then learn it. And that, my friends, is the moral of the story...

...And it is entirely up to you to follow Timothy's example--or not.

The choice is yours...

Cheers friends,

-JJ

[MrColossal]

Well then it's probably another matter all together that if one doesn't believe in god or gods then they can't raise a child correctly, that and Progz's estimation of when the thread was going to self destruct was a few off, no ESP for you Progz! Shoulda asked Terran!

[Minimi]

I don't know what you guys all bragging about but "sex" was never ment to be for humans. In the beginning we had no gender. We had no penis and no breasts and no vagina. We only had our butts. But aliens implanted genderDNA or something into us, so that we would all have sex and die!

I tell you, are you a virgin? Good for you, you'll live!
otherwise, your doomed, sick maniac!!!


moehahaha :o :o :o

[modgeulator]

It's interesting to note that there is no mention of the father--only of two faithful and loving mothers taking great care of their child's welfare.

What can we conclude from all this?

That lesbians should be allowed to have children as long as they believe in the heavenly father?

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

Timmy Has Two Mommies!

[Squinky]

JFritz, if I kicked you in the junk hard enough, do you think it could somehow reverse your "Condition"?

Where are you getting this bullshit? Do they set you in front of a tv playing videos of leave it to beaver and other crazy propaganda? Because it seems unlikely that you ever leave your home.....

My folks are still married, I grew up in a pretty basic home setting. So have a lot of people, in fact I can think of a few that I knew when I worked in law enforcement that had happy familys and then murdered people. I can also think of quite a few "family" fathers who molested their children....

Seriously, get a goddamned brain.

[Vince Twelve]

Vince, I love you SO much

Kinoko!  Why I never!  I'm married with a kid and you're engaged!  I suggest you take JJ's good person test.  Because it taught me that if you covet anything ever you're going to hell.

Actually, it says that you're going to hell no matter what you answer...  Man, that test is depressing.

I'm gonna buy you ginormous Okinawan jug of beer, okay?

Yay!  We can all agree on Orion!

[jfritzyb]

Do they set you in front of a tv playing videos of Leave It to Beaver and other crazy propaganda? Because it seems unlikely that you ever leave your home.....

Of course I've been outside my home; I've seen what the world has to offer--and I've turned it down hook, line, and sinker. The world has NOTHING to offer me of any value! I've sought my own will before I became a Christian and I'm NOT going back!

You think I accepted Christ so that I could get a "better life" or "feel good"? No way! In fact, I EXPECT people to hate me for being a Christian! I've always expected it. Christ Himself even taught that people would persecute you if they persecuted Him.

I accepted Christ because of three things...

1. He paid my fine of disobeying Him, in full when He died on the cross for me.
2. I am forgiven of all the evil I've ever done against Him and against others.
3. I am forgiven of my past as well...

1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I've lied, stolen, cheated, and the like. I DESERVE to go to hell because of these things that I did to others. The Heavenly Father is an honest judge and will judge me according to His standards, and if I don't measure up, I'M GOING TO HELL!!!!!

...But you know, the good news is that He loved me enough to pay for my fine of disobeying Him IN FULL! I don't need to be guilty of past sins because they're forgiven when I...

1. Ask forgiveness for disobeying Him.
2. Repent (totally turn) from those things displeasing to Him.
3. Trust in Jesus the way I'd trust in a parachute before jumping out of a plane.

...I'm clean and I'm forgiven of ALL MY SINS! Why WOULD I want to go back to the way things were? I don't ENJOY doing those things anymore! I've got a clean slate!! Why would I want to go back to displeasing Him? I don't want to; I want to be different from the way I once was.

The reason I'm telling you all this is because I don't want you to go to hell; I want you to go to heaven and that's why I'm telling you this. I want you to experience what I have.

-JJ

[Squinky]

Ummm, so your reply to my question about you being brainwashed is to shovel out some recycled religious drivel?

I am a church going person myself, but that dosen't mean I have to force it on others, or take everything so damn seriously. But, I won't even bother going into my beliefs, because, like yours, nobody cares....

You need to stop and realize that you are acting like you are better than others here because of your faith. Your not, so stop it. And it seems to me that life has treated you well (Sheltered) for you to make such dumbass statements as above (the one about adoption ticks me off, you have no right to judge anyone until you are put into that situation.).

[qoute]You think I accepted Christ so that I could get a "better life" or "feel good"? No way! In fact, I EXPECT people to hate me for being a Christian! I've always expected it. Christ Himself even taught that people would persecute you if they persecuted Him.[/qoute]

This dosen't mean that you have to make people hate you. Jesus was a good guy, you aren't being like him with your judgemental attitude. This is the Jesus that befriended a prostitute and forgave her, you sure don't seem that open-minded....

You have a lot of gall to tell people you don't know on the internet that they are going to hell (You implied this). You don't know me, or anyone here wll enough to minister to us in a public thread....

[MrColossal]

and I like how you only answer about one question a post, I asked many questions and you gloss over them. But whatever.

I'm less scared of going to hell and more scared of my heart being eaten when Anubis finds that it doesn't weigh less than an ostrich feather.

[Alynn]

I've been busy, and wow... just wow... I really expected this thread to be dead... and yet here it has turned into a religious debate, and a conversation about the words "tolerance" and "acceptance"... Ã, That children born out of wedlock become antisocial and then breed like rabbits... Lord knows what else I may have missed...

Also reading over this, I think there is a slight misunderstanding to what exactly my alternate lifestyle is...

How can I put this.. Ã, maybe someone will figure it out...
My wife and I have alot in common... Ã, we are a couple, we are ALWAYS together.... Her door swings both ways, but mine only swings one...

Ah screw it... she's bisexual... and I've never (and will never) be with anyone if she isn't involved... I'm not running around by myself... it's a group effort... TEAMWORK!!

Ok and on the subject of children getting ladies pregnant so on and so forth... I've been sterile for well over a year now... Did the deed, and had my vas deferens cut, carterized, and sewn closed... So that's not the issue... On the STD thing, yeah, in this day and age you have to be careful, I'm not an idiot... I didn't make it to 28 being stupid.

But anyway... I really think it's funny how this thread took off... All I really wanted to know is if it was socially acceptable to chat up a girl on the street... and it turned into all...... this...

[The Inquisitive Stranger]

We're having fun, though, (well, at least I am) so it's all good.

and I like how you only answer about one question a post, I asked many questions and you gloss over them. But whatever.

That happens to me all the time. I guess all we can do is get used to it.